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Time to clean?

Some time ago I wrote a blog article about my Observations on ipernity groups. People usually follow their News page only at Ipernity, almost never actually visiting any group pages after joining them, and hardly ever even scrolling the News page down for blog articles or for any other contents. Visits on photos after one week drops down dramatically. They become "yesterday's news".

Moreover, I have several times on several places shared the following thought:

Social media amateur photography is a phenomena totally different than was an amateur photography few decades ago. In the late 1970s for example Susan Sontag saw photography merely as a way to live in the past, an intention to record and preserve everyday life into collections of “jarred” memories.

Today digital photography, and amateur photography on social media is more like a way of living, to experience and share the present. Barely no one is interested on what someone else did last summer, or even last week, unless it is presented today, as a new to them, right now, and right in front of their faces. Only pictures posted today are interesting.


So, do we need to store images on the cloud forever?

Or should we change our behavior and become interested on past?


Anyway, I started to clean up my own albums. Although I have not yet used more than 2/100 GB myself. At least I try to remove all less than adequate images.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this =)
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Rob Stamp said:

Separate from the days of film, wthin digital photography, the increase in pixel resolution of the camera, has meant larger files, and with higher broadband speeds, uploading them is not as tiresome as it might have been. Not forgetting the ease of making a video, at ever higher resolution. The policy of "upload as much as you want" was caught out by this trend, with income not supporting storage costs, leading ipernity to the brink.
5 years ago

Bergfex said:

I think this rethinking is also necessary if we are really serious about keeping our planet worth living on and not ruining it.

Every click, every search query, every streamed video or uploaded photo consumes a little bit of power. Individually, that's a small amount. Nothing compared to the electric cooker in the kitchen or the freezer in the basement. A Google search more one will hardly notice on the own electricity bill thus. But from a global point of view it looks quite different. Millions of search queries, pictures and films are sent digitally across the planet every day. This mountain of data is growing daily. Every one to two years the worldwide use of the web and its resources doubles.

So if we make an effort to only upload what is really necessary for the exchange among each other, the individual hardly contributes to reducing energy consumption. But if all ipernity members do, it won't have much effect, but it will have something.

Unlimited storage is very unecological. That must be clear to all of us.
5 years ago

Nora Caracci replied to Bergfex:

un'argomentazione molto interessante !!!
5 years ago ( translate )

Sami Serola (inactiv… said:

Something to consider...

If one uploads several images at once, it seems that only the most recent image gets attention. This probably happens because people indeed checks only their News page and their contacts' latest photos: www.ipernity.com/network/contacts

Suggestion: Upload no more than one picture per day.
5 years ago

polytropos replied to Sami Serola (inactiv…:

Sami, that's true. People just look at the last photo. This is a circumstance that you could already see at Panoramio. Here at IP it is even more noticeable.

The other thing with the memory space: I have also started uploading smaller images to save storage space. In addition itt's also acertain copy protection. But I can upload even smaller formats. I need to consider this more closely.
5 years ago

Annemarie said:

All in all I agree....but if you do not upload pics, what is the sense of photo sharing communities?

Its a sort of exchange of experiences ( experiments also, in some cases........)
I myself post what I see on mt travels, or around me, as a way of making you part of my life ...... and I am very interested on others doing the same..................

Personally my husband and me we have tousends and tousends of pic, slides....and now digital pic stored in terabytes* cloud, etc

pieces of history, for when we will be old and will have more time to "fish" pic from old days........
memories of the future

HUGS ( don't know if this is on theme.......but thats my feeling)
5 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Annemarie:

What I personally wish is that people would at least give a thought for this. It is a shame how much there is left not seen because:

1) Not seen if uploaded many shots at once, and only the last upload get attention.

2) All forgotten, because no-one pays attention on group contributions. No point to contribute with old pictures because only group admin(s) notices it.

3) Lack of ways to get attention on older uploads in general. As far as I know, so called domino groups are almost only places where old photos get attention. And that is because it is the way how that game is played (defined game in rules).

Evangrek has discovered somewhat ingenious way to change the uplaod day as new. Although, it may loose it's effect when one republish old images as new updates too often. But again they only become noticed if one has contacts who follows and are interested.

all in all, the message here probably is that it is better to focus on "quality" instead of "quantity". What quality and quantity really are, depends on the point of view, of course ;-)
5 years ago

Annemarie replied to Sami Serola (inactiv…:

ok I understand point 1 and 2.( about point 2, the flickr way of inviting and, when posting, to comment/fave should be a "quasi" must)
Evan just antepones some of his pics in a very simple way..changing the date of the upload...... may be he is short of time or......

all in all, you of course you are right.......
IP is s so small group, and visiting contacts and friends should be a pleasure, of course easier when you have only one upload.......

anyway, send you greetings from a rainy (always rainy in november) Roma
AM
5 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Annemarie:

Seems to be the theme of November, also all the time raining and gray up here as well. Although, today it came down as snow.
5 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to polytropos:

In my opinion 2048 in 80% compression is good enough. I said I sometimes use even 2560, and that is when I plan to do some PicMonkey editing. It is always better to start editing with larger image, in case one has to for example rotate and crop the image.
5 years ago

Graham Hughes said:

I have often thought around these kinds of issues....and try to reflect on my own browsing behaviours here and in other photography spaces.

If I could make it more personal. I have been away from Ipernity for a while, and uploaded some images yesterday....and paid my fees to become Standard.Why did I stop for 6 months? I just got tired of the way social type medias turn you into this person who has to play the lets keep on the treadmill and stay connected game......coz if you arent seen, you cease to exist. That is tiring. In a world where we are all connected, staring at phones whenever we can, sharing our creativity when ever we can....I would argue that we are less connected than ever....while thinking we are moreso.

So we only look at the latest image in our feed....we as people may not be interested enough to look deeper at peoples images. We are all too busy or too self centered to look more.

I am part of this community because its nice to share what you are passionate about.......the odd person will get you and what you do...and you may find others who are similar.

But the truth is there are many who won't get you and flick over images with no comment or response............and there are times when you think wtf.

In the essence of it all those who reflect genuinely on images of others are few. In your own photographic journey seriously looking at the images of others impacts our own growth.

BUT in the days we live in on earth and our mindsets....maybe our looking isnt the kind that has us really looking as observers and thinkers..............as we do with books. Maybe (and I am guilty of this at times) its all about me......I post images then leave. Theres a lot of time invested in editing and preparing them, posting info and all that.

What is my point? Well maybe aside from the save the planet, conserve energy and resources aspects of what you are say Sami, maybe what we need to consider is changing our perhaps narrow posting and observing patterns....maybe it us developing inquiring and interested minds so all those uploads arent wasted space.

One of the things that set Ipernity apart for me is the ability to write articles....and I have written some of those that I consider ok. BUT as you say....no one looks, no one reads........that old enemy time...and the inherent narcissism of the age.

At least I understand now why an upload of 9 images of equal quality finds only one getting the hits. In rushing by we feel bound to like something to maintain the connection perhaps..........or obviously there is nothing of any merrit there.

Too many thoughts........I dont think I could cull any from my stach....coz I only upload after much thought......I will continue to think on this. My albums are a record of my growth and development, my blue periods, my passages of rite. For some posting will just be their putting their hands up to existence.......and sharing what and how they see. All reasons are valid. I just dont think as humans anymore we are that interested in the work of others.......and we live in an image saturated world.......good images become ho hum. Maybe the call is to be critical of what we post
and know why...as opposed to just coz we can.
Thanks for the discussion.

graham
5 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Graham Hughes:

Nice to see you around again, Graham.

In my opinion that comment of your's would deserve become posted as an "article" of it's own, on your pages. Those same issues I have been thinking about for years.

I have tried to at least view and fave a little "deeper", not only the last photo on uploads, and actually visit group pages and blog articles. My time to write comments is limited, but that is of course a lame excuse.

What I have thought lately is that if and when ever get reprogramming done, we should combine photos and blog articles. In short it means the formatting tools to edit photo caption should be provided. And maybe even allow posting story only, which then would become displayed within photo thread with some symbol. This approach is applied for example at YouPic photo service.

My point is this. One could still post multiple uploads at once, but then make a nice complete representation on the last upload, like an illustrated blog article. It would be better than PiP (picture in picture notes). On the new ipernity FAQ we have used that approach:

www.ipernity.com/doc/2319670/48304088

By providing formatting tools for photo caption, that would make it much easier to edit captions, font styles, adding links and even images.
5 years ago

Jocelyne Villoing said:

Bonnes réflexions et bonnes résolutions, merci beaucoup.
5 years ago ( translate )

Nora Caracci said:

Condivido molto di quello che dici.
Personalmente non sono qui per depositare i miei lavori come in un magazzino, ma per rendere pubblico ciò che produco poiché amo la fotografia e mi piace condividere le mie impressioni fotografiche con altri fotografi, ammirare il lavoro altrui e imparare dagli altri.
Certo non è il caso di conservare foto di poca qualità, a meno che non abbiano un valore sentimentale, a volte mi capita di rivederle e sorriderne ;-)
Quanto alla lettura degli articoli degli amici, purtroppo non sempre ne ho tempo :(
Ma quando ci riesco lo trovo molto interessante !
Grazie per questa occasione di dibattito
5 years ago ( translate )

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Nora Caracci:

Merci, Nora =)

I reply in English. So, you can at least see what I meant if translation goes wrong. It is of course also a good idea to keep some old photos. Several times I have discovered my old photos much better than I originally thought. Besides, some images can be "recycled" by making a new version on PicMonkey.
5 years ago