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Ninja Commenting vs. Thoughtful Commenting
UPDATE: I have edited errors, added many exceptions and corrected oversights in this article and really appreciate all of your comments and emails to make sure this information is accurate! Keep it coming! :)

It has been brought to my attention that the article I just posted, Fast & Efficient Commenting Tactics, has led at least one person to believe that I am only interested in getting comments and don't care at all about the photographers behind the picture. That accusation really hurts because if you know me at all, you know that I really love getting to know everyone who visits me. I developed a commenting strategy to speed up the mind-numbing process of getting to people's photostreams so I can get to the part I love, which is looking at my contact's pictures, appreciating them, and reading about each one, so that I can then write a nice comment. My comments often include links to picture references or more information on the web, and sometimes I include YouTube links for extra fun in the form of music and video! :) I don't always write long comments but if a particular picture has rocked my world, I will certainly let that person know! :D I really do care about everyone who leaves comments for me and I am very interested in their lives and how they see the world.

I'm really glad I got that letter though, because it brings up an important topic:

Stringflower: The 133nd Flower of Spring & Summer! Ninja Commenting vs. Thoughtful Commenting

After you've been posting pictures for a while, leaving and receiving comments to and from contacts, you'll begin to see that there is a difference in the types of comments that people leave.

Ninja Commenters
are people who visit as many people as they possibly can every day, leaving the very same general, one-or two word comment on every picture. I don't think these people even look at or care one bit about the picture they've slapped their comment on. Their point is only to generate a comment in return. These people go as far as to get commenting add-ons that will put a random comment from a group of pre-written comments into the commenting box at the press of a button. This helps to mask the fact that this person is ninja-commenting, but it's easy to identify these people because the comments are always generic and often make no sense in regards to the picture you posted. These people are not friends. They are parasites.

Thoughtful Commenters are people who take the time to look at a picture and think about it before writing a response, which might be long or short. They care about letting the photographer know how they feel. They are friends. Keep in mind that there are MANY, MANY thoughtful commenters out there who have very busy lives and not much time to spend writing long comments, so they will often leave one or two-word comments (and sometimes none at all, though they do look at and appreciate the image!). As well, not everybody speaks English and it's difficult and/or time-consuming to compose comments that reflect their opinion. Keep in mind that there is a world of difference between the ninja commenter and thoughtful commenter who leaves short comments. The succinct comment from the thoughtful commenter reflects the image posted and is not the same comment for every picture you post. They are letting you know that they saw and appreciated your picture but they only have time to leave a short comment. Finally, some people are quite shy or not comfortable about leaving a comment because it's very personal. These people usually write a personal email to let you know that they visit often and appreciate your photography but want you to know that writing comments is hard for them to do or something they just aren't comfortable with.

225/365: "Loveliest of lovely things are they on earth that soonest pass away. The rose that lives its little hour is prized beyond the sculptured flower." ~ William C. Bryant Remember that ipernity is a European site! It's very nice that so many non-English speakers take the time to write comments in English. This is such a gift when you realize how time-consuming it is to translate and write in another language. Every one of these comments is very touching to me, because I only know English, and when I think about what it takes to leave a comment in a non-native language, I'm amazed. Google Translate makes it easy to translate foreign-written comments, but the translation isn't always right. So, the fact that non-native visiters express their opinion in English is very impressive and wonderful. I admit that I often forget how spoiled I am to have English as a first language, and how lucky I am that people take the time to communicate in English when it isn't their native language.

170/365: "I perhaps owe having become a painter to flowers." ~ Claude Monet Be A Good Friend, Not a Parasite
We take pictures because we are passionate about the world around us. We want to share what we see and photograph with the world, and sites like ipernity are a wonderful way to meet like-minded people. Sharing thoughtful comments with each other about our photography is a wonderful way to learn and grow. We can teach each other about our lives and the things we discover and what's important to us.

Leaving thoughtful comments is a way to connect with one another and to form a bond of friendship that will grow stronger through the weeks, months and years. On the other hand, ninja commenters are parasites that suck away our precious time and energy, feeding their unquenchable desire for more comments that mean nothing to them. They don't care about anyone but themselves and all they want is to have their comment and favorite counters go up. The sad thing is that none of it matters in the end, because they don't care about the more important part of being part of the ipernity community: FRIENDSHIP.

14 comments

Pam J said:

A little background ......

I was on the F-Place... not to really display.... but to visit people who are good friends and took beautiful pictures.

I saw the way the F-Place was going months before it did... and then..... when it burst at the seams.... a wonderful soul introduced me to Ipernity. That person is a friend from another site and also English.

So... hesitantly I came here. I have had a passion for photography for 54 of my 58 years.... and now... whilst I cant afford the top end equipment... I CAN afford the time to enjoy the frustrations and joys of the Art.

I came here and saw I was wayyyyyyyy out of my league but I started with a free account... and to my great surprise... folk were so KIND...and GENEROUS of their time and spirit to comment on my small offerings.

I am still way out of my league... but I have.. through peoples kindness and friendship found the drive to do better.. to GET the pictures I want... but most of all... to SEE and revel in OTHERS mastery.

So.... I try to keep up with the comments..I try to thank all.... You are all teaching me new roads... and what's more...I have made some friends I simply know I will still have in 20 years time.

I am 4000 miles from Home... some of you give me..through your wonderful photography... a glimpse of all I miss.

The comments matter... not the length... but the SPIRIT of them. I only hope you are able to feel MY spirit in my appreciation of your Art.

P.S My new macro lens came today and I have spent the day taking some of the worst pictures of my life !!! Grins...... Some may wish to delete me as a contact .... laughing....
11 years ago

Hans Guenter said:

I totally agree with what you have written, Janet.
We all are short of time (even the retired ones, like me). So it is very important to spend the time not by clicking and navigating to pictures but by leaving meaningful comments.
And I do agree: one word comments can also be meaningful.
But please let me make one addition:
Especially for non native speakers it is often so time consuming to find the right words in English or to express exactly what we feel. So just leaving a sentence like "I very much enjoyed your picture" is not necessarily "Ninja commenting".
And please keep in mind there are such guys like me who can very well enjoy photos but are not always able to express their feelings properly.
11 years ago

Rabbitroundtheworld said:

I don't think we should get too hung up about it all - it's not an exam! Sometimes a one-word comment or a smiley face is all we have time to make, and that's ok.

I like all and any comments. Especially ones which mention carrots ;-)

Rabbit
11 years ago

Janet Brien said:

I want to say thank you VERY MUCH to all of you who have taken the time to leave a comment! Thanks for enlightening me and telling me how your views differ! Thanks too, for the kind and wonderful things you've said as well. I'm the first person to say that I don't know everything (one of my favorite quotes is from Socrates, "The more you know, the more you realize you know nothing."), and I relish the opportunity to learn different opinions! So thank you all!! :)
11 years ago

Jim Boynton said:

Great article!

Seen in Janet's articles page.

Just kidding! You have stroked my ego immensely a few times with your comments on my shots. Like Pam J way up near the top of these comments I felt way out of my league when I saw the photos here on ipernity. You are one of the most intimadating photogs out there...in a good way. Viewing your shots makes me try harder to become better and your comments have made me feel welcome. You do care about the photos AND the people behind them so tell that one person to.............deep breath Jim.

Some people may be very private and are not relaxed enough to make more personal comments. It took me months to decide to just be myself and if people don't like it...too bad. I am an acquired taste and some people must be thinking...'Who the hell is this goof?'...when they first drop in so I don't mind a 'Ninja' comment once in a while, but I do hate award groups and post 1 comment 99 type groups. Those comments always feel self-serving and false and so I don't bother with those groups.
11 years ago

Phill G replied to Jim Boynton:

Well said.
11 years ago ( translate )

Polyrus said:

Janet, I like and value your presence on ip. I think it is admirable that you make the effort to post many in-depth articles and I admire many of your photos, however, I do not agree with all that you write or appreciate all your photos, so I'm no sycophant ;-)

I do not wish to have rules or a system for commenting as that would remove much of the pleasure I find here on ip. I'm happy meandering my way around, leaving comments on photos that I have enjoyed seeing. I could not leave a positive comment, Ninja or otherwise if a photo did not have an element of appeal. I also value Rabbit's presence on ip so I'll give him a carrot!

Just be yourself and have a nice day!
11 years ago

Janet Brien replied to Polyrus:

AMEN!!! :) To each his own, when a person is authentic, like you and so many other Thoughtfuls are, a comment left is a pearl, but just knowing you were there to see (Fav) is fine enough indeed, for you are appreciating and not just running madly through pictures without stopping to even see. I agree, rules are no way to go, but guidelines are reasonable to keep in mind. And of course, pile on the carrots for Dear Bun! :D
11 years ago

Peggy C said:

.. thank you all for your ideas, comments and thoughts --- y'all are the coolest people !
11 years ago

Shuttering Yukon said:

I 100% disagree with rabbit... leave the carrots, blaa they are 'healthy'.. can we even use that word here? bring on the fancy turbo brooms! If you are talking about rabbits comment... well that I agree with...

Janet you are the last person that is "only interested in getting comments and don't care at all about the photographers behind the picture". I value you as an awesome contact and never ever felt you were 'ninja' commenting, all your comments are personal and I know that cause we share some contacts.. so whoever said that..use the delete button!

I so appreciate all the time you take on these articles, now if I could just get my girls to read them.. they are so new here and they have the same issues we all did when we moved to this street, "I don't know anyone", "I can't find my peeps", "I can never find the new uploads".. same as we have said but we made it alright... didn't we? I think we did... but then again I am told I am delusional.

Any way keep up the GOOD work Janet!
11 years ago

Rabbitroundtheworld said:

Just to say, I'm pleased to see that carrots are still featuring strongly in this discussion. For those of you who don't like carrots, just send them over here.....

R x
11 years ago

Phill G said:

I sometimes use only one or two words in commenting...not because I'm a mundane tosser, or looking for loads of "great shot" 's added to my pics. I'd like to think there's a sense of enthusiasm or appreciation in my comments, however short, and regularly leave longer comments too...probably babbling on, sometimes :-/
I see lots of your comments, Janet, and they are like a breath of fresh air. You give your undivided attention to each person/photo, which is a rarity (and more often than not they're really quite funny).
Well written article and I'm in agreement.
As for those kind folk out there who add you as a contact...you think it's a bit wierd cos they already have 3006 other contacts...but...you add them as a contact...you comment on their pics...they never comment on yours...bye bye to them...I do regular culls every few months, lol.
How you manage to post so many pics amazes me...I'll never keep up with them all but love the ones I see. I have limited time here.
Re the people that leave comments in English when it's not their first language...I'd noticed that too...how kind of them!
Cheers, Janet, and keep up the good work.
11 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… said:

Well, i actually did not read this article first... But I read this eventually, and liked a lot of it. And it is clearly time for me to change! At MyOpera and Google+ communities peeps often behave like those ninjas, and one easily turn into one as well. On one hand I still appreciate even the short comments, because even they show a person has at least bothered to comment.

But you are absolutely right Janet, it is better to be a thoughtful commenter.
11 years ago

Janet Brien replied to Sami Serola (inactiv…:

:D Yes, it is important to let the photographer know you took the time to see the picture enough to form an actual opinion. It doesn't mean you have to write a book--even a couple of well-thought words to describe an impression is all it takes. :)
11 years ago