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1 August 2025 - Club News
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Dear members and friends of ipernity,

1) Quota for adding to a group.
This relates to groups having a limit on the number of contributions allowed in a day/week/month time frame. This was controlled on exact 24 hour intervals before the window allowing further additions was again opened. With this revision, the next open day starts at midnight, the next week starts Monday, and the next month on the first. Please see this article for a full explanation.

2) Minor update regarding private images in public groups.
When a private photo is added to a public group, it becomes visible to all visitors to that group. This also means that visitors to the group could share the link to a private photo with other people, who would then be able to view it. This is now made clear in the warning message that appears when a private photo is about to be added to a public group.

3) World Photography Day 2025.
Globe for World Photography Save the Date
There are just over two weeks before our 5th annual event. See the 2025 article about this year's event and how to join in the fun.

4) Real world meeting in Saarburg.
The next ipernity meetup in the real world will take place from September 12 to September 14 in Saarburg, Germany. All members are invited to participate. If interested then look in this group for details about the programme and how to register.

5) PHOTON-Festival in Saarland.
For the first time ever, ipernity will have a booth at a photography festival. This outreach effort is thanks to Andreas, Corinne and Bernhard who will be staffing the booth. See details here.

6) Server overload update.
As we continue to have server slow down issues, we would like add to the previous suggestion of reloading or refreshing pages that don’t initially load quickly. If reloading and refreshing doesn’t give enough relief from the waiting, we suggest you wait 15 -30 minutes Before returning then to try the website again. The reason this might work is that while the servers are still being over extended most of the time, viewing our server data, we can see that, after the programming we have put in place, major server overloads tend to happen in 5-20 minute spurts and between 2-5 times a day.

Current steps the team is taking towards mitigating the problem:
After the support from an earlier outside person didn’t work out, we are now in conversation with someone else who has given us some new ideas. We are waiting for their possible support to test implementing a couple of them. If anyone is interested in more technical details, please send an ipermail to the team.

One of their suggestions is to use the Cloudflare company which is something we had already looked into. To use that company would involve an ongoing monthly fee. Our initial check showed this fee to be very expensive, however to confirm this we will be calling in early August to clarify the cost for our specific situation and to see if what they offer can accommodate ipernity’s setup.

7) In memoria.
It is with great sadness that we let you know our long time member HelenaPF (Héléna-paule Fitoussi) passed away on July 23rd 2025. Condolences and comments can be made on their in memoria page.

Your ima team.

69 comments

Gary Schotel said:

Since most of us work with expensive cameras and many different expensive lenses, why can't we just get together and get a quote to solve our problems on this site and throw in some extra money? Some people might not be able to do this.... but I am sure others are in a position to do this. I am willing. It's just too much hassle to continue like this and it takes the fun out of it. I hesitated to renew my membership, however I decided to renew. Let's solve this before people start polling out!
4 weeks ago

Jaap van 't Veen replied to Gary Schotel:

+1
4 weeks ago ( translate )

Manuel Wesser replied to Gary Schotel:

Es ist anzunehmen, dass wir bei diesem Ansatz kontinuierlich mehr Geld benötigen werden.

Wenn wir das Ideal des freien Zuganges für Alles und Jeden zu den Inhalten von Ipernity aufrecht erhalten wollen und dafür einen Service nutzen der übermäßige Nutzung durch unerwünschte Besucher einschränkt.

Indirekt finanziert man mit solchen Geldern das Training von künstlicher Intelligenz die dann kommerziell eingesetzt wird, weil sie weiterhin Zugang haben wird und sich bereits jetzt in keiner Weise um die erteilten Lizenzen kümmert.

Die Verursacher des Problems wird man ja leider nicht zu Kasse bitten können, ihnen den Zugang verwehren sollte aber einfacher möglich sein, als einen Dienstleister dafür zu bezahlen der dauerhaft seinen zugegebenermaßen guten Service bezahlt haben will.

Es ist ein Unterschied ob man viel Geld für Ausbildung/ Ausrüstung oder Reiseziele ausgibt an und mit denen man Freude hat. Oder ob man es ohne einen kreativen Gegenwert für einen Service ausgibt, der einen regulierten Service realisiert um unangemessene Nutzung zu reduzieren.

Die Reise schafft Erinnerungen, die Ausrüstung gibt einem die Möglichkeit die Fotografie zu erleben. Gemessen daran wird es schwer regelmäßig mehr Geld für den Betrieb von Ipernity einzuwerben.

Wenn du zu einem Verein gehst, kein Mitglied bist und mit deinen Freunden zusammen den ganzen Tag lang das Gebäude belagerst und die Mitglieder selbst den Verein kaum noch nutzen können wird man in der physischen Welt sein Hausrecht ausüben und zur Not mit der Polizei klare Verhältnisse schaffen.

Leider haben wir im Internet keine solche Möglichkeit, aber wir können die Tür zuschließen und nur Personen/ Einrichtungen den Zugang gewähren die unsere Konditionen akzeptieren. Wer dann dagegen verstößt könnte gesperrt werden - automatisch anhand von Regeln die man definiert.

Cloudflare und ähnliche Services sind sinnvoll für Unternehmen deren Zugang zu ihren Online Services für sie selbst oder ihre Kunden relevant ist, dort kann man zumeist keine grundsätzliche Zugangsbeschränkung realisieren. Wie bei Nachrichtenportalen die sich über Werbung finanzieren und ohne Anmeldedaten dafür Informationen präsentieren.

Ich bezweifle, das Ipernity in diesem Umfang wie es derzeit passiert auf anonyme Internetbesucher angewiesen ist und dafür diese riesige Menge an freien Inhalten bereitstellen muss.
4 weeks ago ( translate )

Colin Ashcroft replied to Gary Schotel:

+1
4 weeks ago ( translate )

Günter Klaus said:

Danke für die Info dazu,vielleicht machen sie ein gutes Angebot :))
4 weeks ago ( translate )

Pearl said:

Merci pour les nouvelles. Malgré les difficultés, je renouvellerai mon adhésion pour soutenir "notre" IPERNITY. Si nos soucis s'éternisent nous risquons effectivement de perdre des adhérents.
C''est très bien qu'Ipernity soit présent sur un festival de la photographie. Cela pourra peut-être aussi favoriser la rencontre avec des personnes susceptible de nous apporter leur aide.
4 weeks ago ( translate )

* ઇଓ * replied to :

+1
4 weeks ago ( translate )

Gary Schotel said:

I was not aware that the problems are caused by people who have free access to Ipernity. I always thought there is only "paid" access. Anyhow if it's true people with free access are causing the problems, i suggest delete the "free access" feature.
4 weeks ago

Moderator replied to Gary Schotel:

The server overload issue is not as simply explained as that. The server overload issue is not directly caused by free accounts, it is caused by bots accessing our servers. We will hopefully find a way to mitigate the issue without closing off ipernity to only paid accounts because this would make gaining new members even more difficult if not almost impossible. It is unlikely someone would pay for a service they hadn't had a chance to view and try out first.
4 weeks ago

Jo WaLo said:

Mich wundert, dass anscheinend nur ipernity von Verzögerungen beim Seitenaufbau betroffen ist. Stürzen sich die Bots nur auf uns? Bei keiner anderen Website habe ich sowas in letzter Zeit erlebt. Auch andere Fotocommunities wie z.B. Flickr oder fotocommunity laufen reibungslos. Neue Mitglieder können wir beim jetzigen Stand der Dinge wohl kaum gewinnen.
4 weeks ago ( translate )

* ઇଓ * replied to Jo WaLo:

Jo, the problems caused by AI bot attacks affect more than just our site. For example, Wikipedia is also concerned.

If the photo communities you mentioned have not experienced similar issues so far, would it be too far-fetched to contact them to learn about their defensive measures and see if we could implement something similar?
I would also like to address this suggestion/question to the IMA team.
4 weeks ago

Moderator replied to :

Jo,
As * ઇଓ * stated bot attacks are not just effecting our website. I'm happy that you aren't having issues on other websites you frequent, but that doesn't mean the issue isn't still occuring elsewhere. We noted this in the June Club News.

* ઇଓ * This is a good question.

First I would say that every website has its own configuration. What might work for one website may very well not work for another. We are especially in a narrow category of websites because we work with programming language that is not the most current. This and how all our servers are connected are some reasons places like Flickr's solutions probably wouldn't work the same way for us.

If we have a member that is also a member of another photo community, we would be happy for them to contact that community to ask them about this. This is not just up to the IMA team, and I don't know as any of us belong to any. I both doubt that another community would share information with ipernity as they could see us as competition, and also the team could use the support of our ipernity community to engage with ideas such as this.

As stated in prior Club News, anyone who wants to approach outside people to see if they have suggestions for solutions can reach out to the team to acquire the write up we have that explains our unique setup and situation.
4 weeks ago

Boarischa Krautmo said:

Maybe it might be a good idea to know the additional monthly costs for using cloudflare. Then, we should try it for a month or two and see whether it works as desired.
After that, we can talk about collecting additional money (and I would not hold off to contribute).

But starting a discussion on free access for third party users does lead us nowhere at all.
4 weeks ago

Moderator replied to Boarischa Krautmo:

Yes, as stated above, we will be contacting Cloudflare as soon as possible. We need the correct person to contact them (one who understands the technical details well so that the correct questions can be asked). We currently have a member who should be able to do that, but they are not available until later this month.
4 weeks ago

* ઇଓ * replied to :

The fact that we have individual configuration, a unique programming language and individual server connections naturally explains why solutions such as those used by Flickr probably wouldn't work in the same way for us. However, some members who joined after 2017 may not be aware of this. Thus, I thank you for taking up the issue and communicating it clearly.

Regarding the possible competitive mindset: I understand this, even though I find it unfortunate that this is the case.
Please note that I am aware the competitive mindset currently hinders, if not prevents, cooperative collaboration and mutual support (not only) among the various photo communities. However, looking ahead to World Photo Day, I am hopeful that one day the competitive mindset will give way to benevolent, mutually beneficial cooperation.

I limit my own membership to ipernity, but I know several of our members are also part of the photography communities mentioned by Jo.
It would be great if efforts to establish external contacts for possible solutions to the AI bot attack problem could be intensified to provide our IT team with the best possible support.
4 weeks ago