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Observations on ipernity groups
Every now and then I test sharing private images only on groups, and get some interesting results. What I mean is that I keep the image as "Visible by: Me only", but then I share it on some group. What happens is that ipernity asks if I really do wish to share the image on the chosen group, and let other group members to see and comment the image.

The test part is to find out if people actually view my image within the group context at all. And then the test reveals if the group is actually used as an active place to view any of the group contributions within that group.

⇨ Challenge groups

So called challenge groups seem to give a quite high rate of views and comments. This is because members of those groups are more committed to do so. It is either voluntary or done because it is told to do so in the group rules. It means people indeed opens the group pages and see what new there are to see on contributions.

Some people don't like challenge groups because they often fill the Explore > Gallery with somewhat similar images once a week. And if and when there are several groups like these, then this happens several times a week.

It is of course possible to publish pictures as private or with friends only, and then share them only within selected groups. That way members of those groups can still view and comment. Then those images does not become "explored". However, I personally think all of us has to have a freedom to do as they wish. Let all flowers bloom, except of course not the inappropriate ones.

⇨ Game and play groups

As far as I know, at the moment there are only very few game groups that are active. The idea of game groups are that the group members as "players" pay attention on what others have posted as contributions because the group and game rules require to do so.

These game groups can be a great way to share even old uploads, and make them viewed again.

There are also so called contest groups, which can be seen as forms of game and play. But surely contests are also challenges, and therefore highly visited by the group members.

⇨ Theme groups

With theme groups I mean hundreds of groups where the topic is either very broad, very narrow or something in between. When I have posted private images only within theme groups, I hardly got any views from anyone else except maybe from the group moderators and administrative.

Theme groups are good on one aspect. They can provide a reviewed and international collection on some selected topic. For example when one wishes to find pictures of birds, groups can offer a better selection than searches:

This pretty much proves my expectation that people usually only "dump" the images to such theme groups but do not visit on those groups very often to see what others have posted. This is probably because most of us also publish the images for all of their contacts to see, and therefore people actually have seen them on news, and not in the context of any theme groups.

There are maybe few exceptions in case the group theme is for example either:
People then do seek images on that particular theme by visiting the group pages, to either get inspired, to have fun, share opinions, or simply enjoy.

⇨ Reviewed and moderated collections

In general the best ways to browse images at ipernity are various groups used to selective choose images that stand out. It is an alternative for someone's personal favorites. When using a group as a tool, the selection criterias can be more focused and open for collective suggestions.

Suggestions

Most of us probably limit our daily ipernity followings on the news page, and as a result we very likely then see only what our contacts are up to. Instead of being a member on hundreds of groups, I recommend trying to limit membership on challenge, game and theme groups you really like. Then you may find time to pay attention on contributions posted by other group members as well. You may become even positively surprised to find something entirely new, and also new contacts to follow.

So, better not to waste time especially on myriad theme groups. People usually only follow their contacts on news, or active challenge and game groups. Only very few theme groups are worth to share with and follow.

Then if you sometimes miss something specific or entirely new, try the excellent ipernity search feature on top of the pages. Try also the more specific search options to limit the search for example to most recent first. Keywords (tags) can also work, but usually people don't use them. Therefore in many cases the search feature gives better results. Try also multiple search words.

20 comments

Stormlizard said:

In the past I found that Groups here were generally ones moved in from Flickr where there is no 'Social interest' and that photos in one group also appeared in others. The best one could expect was a premade 'I enjoyed this photo in x y z group and never did anyone offer personal praise or constructive critisism as I had seen while Multiply worked well.
6 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Stormlizard:

Yes, and that was a "cultural shock" also to me when I came here from My Opera. Luckily there are those few groups that offer an alternative.
6 years ago

Stormlizard replied to :

Yes, I used to be glad when pro photographers suggested I do such and such to improve my work Only one who will remain un named ever did it here but he was not aware that I was photographing through a dirty window when he said there may be something wrong with the camera focusing.
6 years ago

Gudrun said:

I couldn't agree more about the theme groups, I admit to just "dumping" my photos there.;-) Some of the themes aren't themes at all because nearly anything goes. Add to this that most aren't moderated or that the admins obviously have left Iperniity and you have a group nobody cares about any longer.
I have left most of the groups where admins aren't active but still have to reduce my membership of other theme groups. I'm a member in several groups with the theme "Bridge" which is ridiculous;-) I have no idea why people think they have to open new groups when there are already several similar ones.

There's one other type of group that is rather active (for a while): Ipernty meetings. These groups serve to organize specific meetings and to share and discuss information about them. Afterwards you post the photos taken at that meeting. Such groups are sometimes kept private.

I usually try to keep up to date with group comments in my news but simply haven't the time to look at new photos posted in theme groups.
6 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Gudrun:

Indeed I forgot some more specific groups those meeting groups. Although, they can be seen as a mix of theme and challenge. All who participate are then more or less committed not only to contribute but also participate in other ways (e.g. discussions).

I have done some testing lately, uploaded some images as private, and then shared the image only on one theme group. Usually an image like this may get only few or zero visits, which then proves that no many are really browsing and viewing the group pages.

But as long as there are those myriad theme groups, the challenge group admins could "harvest" them through to find new challenge ideas like 'blue items', 'shoes', 'creative snow figures' etc. ;-)
6 years ago

Stormlizard said:

As I said before Sami, there are too many groups that never comment no matter what subject a Photo or Article etc, is about but I am no longer a member of anything other than the I.M.A.
I often see what I refer to as Lazy comments, probably standard Admin or Moderator 'Stamps' that are neither complimentory or the opposite on photos submitted by friendly contacts.

If you like a Photo or Article then why not say so giving the reason for doing so, it is after all only polite to do so and shows respect by you that causes others to respect you.

Several of my contact friends are members of Groups, this I know because photosthey post to the group are visible to all contacts, if I like whatever it is I comment upon the item also saying why if there is any specific reasonfor doing so, these friends reply and often look in to see what I am doing.
6 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Stormlizard:

John, sorry for belated reply, but I had to sleep over it and I am also a little busy this week at work. A short reply however. Longer one hopefully coming later =)

It would be a good idea (for me) to write another article about "Ipernity articles". I personally have several problems with them. First of all I sometimes even forget them because they are not on top of the "news page". Therefore I have even started to post some of my "articles" on image caption area instead. But indeed, more about this later.

Then what comes to short "lazy comments", I definitely agree that at least they should not be some "standard admin/moderator stamps". That is definitely impersonal! But I do understand and even appreciate short compliments like "I like it". It is still an effort to respect other users post even more than just to give a star.

But I do understand your point. Instead of saying only "hello" and "hi", it sometimes would be nice to say a little more. My excuse is often the "busy at work". And I know, I should do something about it! One way is to put more effort on quality instead of quantity, and precisely that is my point on this article. Less group involvements is the first step on this road.
6 years ago

Stormlizard said:

Hi Sami.
Thank you, yes I understand, we all have other duties to perform and we can't do them all as top priority, a thing I often tell one of my contacts thatoften writes to ask If my post box or guest book don't work and did I not see her latest photo.

Probably a good idea but write it unposted until yu're sure all you want to or need to say is included.

That with using the reply box or caption arae for Articles is not a good one. I had speculated about doing that on Flickr during the period that Ipernity seemed as if it was about to die. The reason being that I like many of my friends that came here from Multiply in 2011 did so because like Multiply Ipernity allowed for sharing of all types of Media albeit porn, violenc and discrimination of religion and or race and, not just a Photograpers exhibition site. it has now made Ipernity Unique as there is no alternative with the same wide spectrum of interst at a higher social level than Facebook or Twitter both of which I avoid like the Pest.

Any written comment is better than a 'Stamp' or Fav star, regarding stamps, the usergets booted out of my list of friends, those that givea Fav star get a 'Thank you user' in my effort to get them to add more, it has worked with some, now they give a starand a comment. This takes me back to the need for letting users know of any new postings, Docs which include anything that can be done using Microsoft Office programs or similar such as Adobe Acrobat 'PDF' files, of particular interest here being Power Point Presentations that a user builds up using own photographs Texts and Music or Dialog in Wave format, the end product being a story but not the same as a Live video made of birds doing what birds do because the time frame can be over several years for the PPP.

Yes Sami, another of my habits is to reply to comments in the language of the commenter wherever possible, this I do using my own Babylon Transllation software that is copattible with MS Office allowing for extra spelling and gramar checks'. By doing this I have managed to get closer as an online contact than would be achievedby simply relping in English under the assumtion that Everybody understands 'English'.

Reply when you get the time,
Regards, John'
6 years ago

Clickity Click said:

Interesting dialog here Sami.

What jumps out at me is the part where folks are having so many contacts. I don't understand why someone needs page after page of contacts. Of course that is their decision. and I can respect I just know that I can not interact in a meaningful way to so many people. If I can't be an active contact with someone I just don't accept their contact request. It is nothing personal, just a matter of time to do what is expected of a contact and contributing group member.

As for the challenge groups, as you know I am a member and one of the administrators of one. I for one, like to see the variety of images from the other challenge groups on Explore. I find them interesting and admire the creativity shown.

I also appreciate many of the other types of images presented. I find ideas to try and enjoy so many of the landscapes from around the world. I learn something new almost everyday.

I have found if I keep my contact list doable and reduce my membership in groups, I can avoid many issues and yet enjoy my interaction with others here on ipernity.

Lots of issues have been presented here and it's good to have conversations on them. Folks may not always agree as to a solution but at least the exchange of ideas has be happened.

Enjoy the rest of the week Sami. :)

Oh, John mentioned Babylon Translate as an option for replying to someone in their own language. If you know of others I would like to check them out as I have had some ridiculous
translations with Google Translate.
6 years ago

Stormlizard replied to Clickity Click:

Hello Clickity Click.

The reason fo some users to have hundreds of contacts culd be becausethey suffer from 'Facebook Sybdrom'. They boast about how many online friends they have and or the number oh 'Hits' per day on their account.

I have been using 'Babylon' since it was first advertised with a three month fully operational trial period, after which you buy You did not get a second free period if you didnot.

I was so impressed by the software thet I purchased the full program withing three weeks, since then I have ungraded every time a new version was offered (Users normally get a discount offer for these upgrades).

Like all translation software errors can and do occur, but often because I make a silly typing error or because the software/computer has no human feelings.

I have often searched for alternatives online, there are some that work on a pay as you use basis but cannot be purchased.

Have a nice day.
6 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Clickity Click:

I have started to use DeepL.com: www.deepl.com/translator

Several German native members have recommended that, and a great feature it has is the way to find alternative words. When you do the first translation (e.g. from English to German), then click on some single German words you doubt to see the different meanings (bottom left). Then you also get a drop down menu for alternative words to select from.
6 years ago

Stormlizard replied to :

Interesting.
Speakers of the German language can of course live in Austria, Hungary, Switzaerland, etc. where the general(local) language diffeers, other areas such as close to the Dutch Border Nordhorn where they speak 'Platy German'. a

As with English there are 17 official versions, Oxford being the standard 'British English' others are from Englands 'Empire days' ie N Z English, Jamaican English and so on.
6 years ago

Heidiho said:

Oups, see this intesting thoughts the first time now ... will think about !!!
5 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Heidiho:

I blame the way ipernity is constructed! ;-)

I also simply forget the blog articles way too often. And that is why I have started to post "photo articles" instead.
5 years ago

Heidiho replied to :

... yes, I mean it's a good solution to fight the "flood of information" on different places here in IP. Sometimes I remember important thoughts or facts, I read about in the past - NO chance to find it again :-/
5 years ago