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Ipernity: Photo Hosting or More?
At one of the Ipernity groups, a somewhat lively debate has developed. How it will evolve remains to be seen.

On one side of the discussion is the notion that people’s commenting on others’ photos is excessive and essentially not very constructive. There is also the complaint that some of the photos receiving comments are “far-from-perfect.” Of course, if perfection is truly the standard required for one to express appreciation for another’s works, there is probably no danger that people will ever express such appreciation. Then, perfect silence will persist endlessly. I guess that’s one way to bring about perfection, but it most definitely is not my preference. It goes without saying that I fall squarely on the other side. Ipernity’s blogging feature provides me the opportunity to elaborate on my position in this debate.

The criticism advanced in the discussion is really a variant of the recurrent criticism aimed at limiting expression that has existed as far back as the human record extends in time. It is a quest for conformity, structure, and iron-clad order. Toward that end, arguments have been made that such expression is not tasteful, is inconsistent with prevailing thought, is incorrect, or even dangerous. The reality is that if all expression—oral, written, artistic, and musical—were, in fact, structured and limited, the world would essentially be a sterile place. There would be no place for that “weed” named creativity that has transformed the world time and again. The yearning for new knowledge would have been suffocated, taking with it exploration and science. Innovation and progress would have been unfamiliar concepts. Humanity would have imprisoned itself in a perpetual (or at least as long as the earth can sustain life) Dark Ages-type situation where survival was always difficult, each day brought existential threats, differing peoples were automatically viewed as hostile or worse, lifespans were brutally short, and the "quality of life" was an oxymoron. Fortunately, that’s not the world we inhabit in the still early years of the 21st century.

Thanks to a growing appreciation of the value of free expression, humanity was able to break free of any such bottleneck. Art, and photography is one example of art, is a creative exercise. Creativity is unstructured and unlimited. It pushes boundaries. It transcends perspectives. It gives viewers the opportunity to see things and perceive them through unlimited angles. Different people have different tastes. Hence, one person might love a particular photo. Another might prefer something else. There is no problem in such differences. The problem arises when one tries to impose one’s preferences on another. Then, what one is really doing, is stripping the other person of his/her own originality. To do so is to essentially dehumanize the other person as it is the uniqueness that gives each person his or her own identity.

Moreover, when it comes to creative expression, there is no “one-size-fits-all” rule of what is good and what isn’t. Creative expression is not a fixed equation that can only lead to the same answer every time. Furthermore, perceptions through which creative expression is evaluated are not static.

If one has some sense of art history, one need only look back to the late 19th Century when painters such as Claude Monet, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, Camille Pissarro, Paul Cézanne, among others burst onto the scene with works that featured distinct brush strokes and outdoor scenes often highlighting nuances in lighting brought about by the time of day or season. Many viewed their work, to put it in contemporary parlance, as little more than trash. Their mortal sin in the eyes of their critics was that they dared break out of the then dominant mold of still-life, in-studio painting. Even during their lifetime, tastes changed. Today, the once-reviled Impressionist paintings are among the most widely-viewed and appreciated masterpieces all across the world.

The above commentary concerns artistic expression, but what about the comments? Are they really necessary or even desirable? They certainly are not compulsory.

The starting point for any kind of relationship—friendship or romantic—is mutual respect. Without that seed, no relationship can grow, much less flourish then survive the test of time. On a site such as Ipernity, a simple comment provides the first opportunity to demonstrate mutual respect. The combination of mutual respect and regular interaction allows people to cultivate an ability to tolerate one another’s differences and appreciate one another’s similarities. Differences exist because each person is unique. Commonalities exist because different people can find interest, appeal, or even passion in the same experiences or endeavors. Over time, the regular interactions demonstrate reliability. Reliability is the cornerstone of trust. Trust is the special substance that gives relationships of all kinds the capacity to endure, even as people change and they are impacted by a continual stream of events and experiences while time sweeps by.

To be sure, not every person appreciates that Ipernity is a site that is simultaneously about hosting/sharing photos and fostering a sense of community, one comprised of persons from all parts of the world. For many, myself included, the photos are enriching, but the sense of community is what makes it a lively, dynamic, and exciting place. That Ipernity has a first-rate team that values its users’ experience adds to the overall experience.

Not everyone shares my appreciation for what Ipernity is, nor do I expect them to do so. Some undoubtedly crave a quieter place, a sort of museum where people glimpse works then move on. For them, rather than tilting at windmills to try to transform Ipernity into something it is not and can never become, perhaps a site that is strictly about photo sharing sans social community might offer a more satisfying venue.

Finally, no matter where one falls in this debate, my single suggestion is for each person to try to be true to himself or herself. The Internet is a vast and still rapidly expanding place. If one looks, one is almost certain to find what one seeks.

10 comments

William Sutherland said:

Couldn't have said it better!
10 years ago

Coco said:

Don, you are a wonderful photographer and a superb writer. I am glad for the articles section on here too for it gives us a place to experience other's views and you have expressed yours wonderfully.

It is the comments sections here (and you know where) that stirred me on as a photographer. I started in 2007. It is the difference in perspective that forced me to grow over time. It is the internationality that has exposed me to people ( wonderful people) who I would never have known if not for these sites.
10 years ago

╰☆☆June☆☆╮ said:

Extremely well written Don, and I concur with everything you said. Wouldn't the world be a boring place if all creativity and freedom of expression were stifled?
10 years ago

Kathleen Thorpe said:

An extremely well-written article, Don. I could not agree with you more. I also agree with Reinhold. I love seeing images posted from photographers from different places in our world. We all gain so much when seeing "outside the box" and expanding our love of the art. Thank you for posting this article and for being one of my contacts.
10 years ago

Koko Nut said:

So well written! And perfectly expressed. I can't imagine anyone finding fault with anything written here. I have gone beyond chats and commenting and extended several of my internet friendships into the "real world" and I have yet to be disappointed. But, as you write, it all begins with the initial comment and builds from there. The real mystery for me is how those who would like to stop the commenting come to believe that preventing other ipernity users from interacting amongst themselves could possibly make them (the naysayers) happier?
10 years ago

Ecobird said:

An interesting and thought-provoking article, Don, and I whole-heartedly agree with all the comments above.

In the relatively short time I have been on Ipernity I have really enjoyed the fact that people leave comments as you know this means they have really looked at your photos and taken the trouble to tell you what they like. To me Ipernity is a community where people who enjoy photography at all levels can share their photos and thoughts, and for my own part communication is a big part of it..

I love looking at the photos other members have posted and if I like something, whether it be a particular feature, effect, or an angle I had not seen when I visited a certain place, I want to be able to share that feeling. Personally I prefer to comment on what I like and pass by the photos that I don't like, - after all I am no expert and it is only my opinion. Likewise it must be remembered that the few people who make negative comments are expressing their own views, and however off-putting it may be it is down to personal taste, and not that they are right.

I like the fact that most people are warm, friendly and encouraging. Receiving comments also helps me to find other people's photos, and I love getting to know people through our shared interest.

Long may it stay this way
10 years ago

Janet Brien said:

A great article, Don. Honestly, photography is like any art form, where anyone's opinion is valid. When people start thinking that one opinion has more value than another, there are going to be problems. How can one believe that's ok to try to police opinions or, of all things, whether or not comments are left? I have has stated my opinion in other articles that leaving comments is a nice thing to do--and very important too, but I would never have thought there is a group who believes that leaving comments is bad. However, to each their own, and these people are free to disable comments! :)
10 years ago

Don Sutherland said:

I appreciate the many insights that all of you have provided and have enjoyed reading them. Together, I believe we have sketched what creative expression is all about, how personal tastes and preferences are, and the crucial role respect and tolerance play in sustaining and furthering creative expression.
10 years ago

beverley said:

o0o we all have our moments when we think I am not sure what picture I wish to share
and do I like this picture today I liked it yesterday but what about now ;-) and some days
we feel different about our pictures and I guess those of others also ... no two days are
quite the same. And so ... I think providing that we first and foremost post images that
suit the moment for ourselves and for whatever reason makes us choose that particular
picture we hope over a period of time our contacts "tune in" to us ... get to know us
and we hope share our thoughts and feelings about whatever motivates our choice.
Sometimes we want to experiment and push the boundaries .. why not ... it would
become boring if we posted the same all the time ... and we learn from others and
are inspired and that is what I think is important ... providing no one gets hurt
along the way ... then I think ipernity and other photographic sites are interesting
and we can all benefit from them. I remember finding groups for the very first time
on the other site and thinking what a brilliant idea ... of course things progress and
they develop and become many things to many people ... each to his own choice,
and it is not good when some try to almost dictate criteria to the very people who
have given their time and effort to set this site up and get it jp and running for which
I take my hat off .. I could not do it .. and I think many criticise before thinking first,
and I would say to them ... could you do it ... ? try ... give it a try ... ;-) same with
running groups ... many criticise ... I say ... have you set one up ? if not .. then
try ... especially when it is supposed to be for pleasure.

Thanks for your interesting article Don .. especially in the light of recent
events ... ;-) oOo
10 years ago

HaarFager said:

Well, written! How could anybody possibly feel that leaving a comment is a bad thing? Those people that believe that way don't realize it, but they're leaving comments when they express their opinions. What makes them think they have the right to comment, but also have the right to say who else should not comment? They don't realize they're playing with a double standard. That will never work.
10 years ago