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Reality check
We are "social media nomads", not like those who are travelling around the world and keeping their personal blog or vlog about it, but folks who try to survive in the jungle of social media services. We try to find best and cheapest place to share our creativity and hunger for inspiration. And what makes us as nomads is the fact that nothing seems to continue forever, especially not the social media services.

Who remembers such communities as Multiply and My Opera? Who will soon remember Panoramio?

I came here from a community where active photographers had only handful of groups focused on photography, and there I was a member only on two groups at best times. That community was now closed My Opera community: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Opera

I arrived here with few of my friends in December 2013, hoping to get our 'Shoot & Tell' group continued here. It soon turned out Ipernity community is very different from what My Opera was. New members were "headhunted" to myriads of groups almost savagely.

Around the end of 2013 and beginning of 2014 there also was that great "SPAM war" going on at Ipernity. Some people were actively keeping noise about "reward groups", where group admins and mods were posting even very large icons on comments to acknowledge their members for contributing on their groups. And I say I still agree that those "award groups" indeed were spamming, and still are. I suggested to my fellow 'Shoot & Tell' group admins to keep very low profile, to avoid any such conflicts.

As a result, most of my old friends either stopped using Ipernity and this group, or at least we all stopped using 'Shoot & Tell' actively. I guess this is because hardly no-one here at Ipernity seemed to respect any of the group rules. People just seem to join without much acknowledging the possible group rules, and just start contributing. And I admit becoming very similar.

I think this is sort of "groups too easy to use syndrome". And this is maybe because it is even too easy to establish groups on any possible subject. Everyone wants to have a group of their own and come up with something "original". There are groups for cats, groups for red, groups for matchboxes etc. There is of course nothing wrong about that, but it eventually has turned into a situation where for example I'm (or was) a member on more groups than I could count. And definitely I no longer remember what are the possible rules on all of those groups without checking them again when considering to contribute.

The point is that in the future I personally should become more careful on deciding onto what groups I want to join and be a member. Although, such a behavior can easily turn against myself, because in a community like this Ipernity is, one soon may get a bad reputation if one does not join to each suggested group. People easily may start to judge the person based on what group s/he belongs to, or at least ask why their group is not good enough for some particular users.

But that's life! =) We have to choose sides, even when we don't want to. If one does not do that her/himself, then others do that for her/him.

Update December 1, 2017: I have limited my group membership to less than 30 groups, and today closed also the Shoot & Tell group mentioned above, because it also turned out totally inactive.

Update March 25, 2018: The current plan is to keep the number of groups below 20. Especially the more specific is the group topic, the less likely I have anything to post on such group or time to visit and see what others have posted on that topic.

Update December 10, 2020: Number of group involvement increase little. But that is because voluntary work for ipernity has required to do so. But in general, less groups where I have no time to visit.

51 comments

Stormlizard said:

Well written Sami.
Yes, I remember Multiply, I came here from there as Ipernity was very similar albeit in construction, Ipernity was a social site where most forms of data could be shared in a social manner. At the time of Multiply's take over by the big investors and their obvious plans to make the site a selling portal set thing in motion among many such as I the search for a new home. Many were suggested by various contacts and or users, I tested 13 sites but found none to my liking, many were new young places that did not live very long.
I have never been very interestedin groups as were apparently the Norm on Flickr from where many migrated with their groupds to Ipernity, they placed demands upon the team resulting in many new functions being added, many are still full of bugs, but it was these groups that the huge 'Logos' came from and needed to be locked especially as many were planted from several groups where one user was a member of these said groups.

Where do we go from here? a good question, those the came from Flickr are hardly feeling like returning to it, G+ not a good idea as Google can't be trusted even though they say 'We are not evil'.

Hope something nice can be found or better still a lifeboat to save Ipernity which I think is best as Ipernity is a Unique social website.
7 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Stormlizard:

Just wrote the following to my friend on a personal message:

"For me the casual nature of Instagram is currently the most appealing. I really don't care if someone even sells some shots of mine without my permission. World is so full of pictures anyway! We have come far from what Susan Sontag wrote about photography in 1970s. Pictures are no longer taken to preserve the history. Today pictures are "speech bubbles" on global chit chat."

And I mean that =) So, I don't see G+ as a big evil. It is no worse than 500px, Instagram or Facebook. After all it comes to the fact that what is the most appealing service, and where the friends go. At Instagram I have found some of my old friends from the My Opera times ;-)
7 years ago

Stormlizard replied to :

Until now I had never heard of 'Instagram' but your desciption is enough to make me stay away from it.

I know that many of my old friends from Multiply are on Ring of friendship and or Schmoozezone, both being sites created by former Multiply people, both are also on the verge of going down the tubes. If Ipernity cannot be saved I will cease to post my work online.
6 years ago

KYZ said:

is there any life outside of the groups? :-)
any picture life?
any life without pictures?
have a sunny day Sami!
:-)
7 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to KYZ:

Answer to the first question: Yes, there is life outside of the groups! =D I have usually just followed the wonderful Ipernity News page instead of going through hundreds of groups. Besides, if I really want to see something on a particular theme, I can always use also very wonderful search features here at Ipernity ;-)

And then an answer to the second question =)
soundcloud.com/capsula-israel/i-know-that-i-know
7 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… said:

So, I have already started to quit from some groups. Now I am already able to count on how many groups I am! =D

And please people, try not to take this behaviour of mine as a personal critique. I'm only choosing on what groups I think I'm able to be active in the future. This is in no way meant to be a critique against any of you as a person ;-)
7 years ago

Jean said:

A really interesting thread. Groups are nice but I haven't noticed anyone bothering whether you join or not. When I joined Flickr I belonged to far too many groups but eventually gave up posting to all of them. It made no difference to the number of views, faves etc. On moving here I joined groups but fewer and over time reverted to not posting. It doesn't seem to maker any difference. I use News to keep in touch with people's photographs and Explore. It's mainly a question of time.
7 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Jean:

Yes, I use that News feed as well as a primary way to follow what my contacts have uploaded. And after that only three groups on regular bases. SO, indeed there is no need to participate into so many groups.

But if someone manage to convince me the logic of "dumbing pictures onto multiple groups", I'm always open for good arguments =)
7 years ago

LutzP said:

...well said, Sami. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I have to admit that I am in too many groups myself, which I never visit and mainly just dump my pics there. There are only a handful, which I pursue actively and they are mainly not related to photography (Panoramio Refugees, Hamburg-Meeting, WinClub, HFF, TSC (which is still on hold, because it has lately become a burden instead of fun)). And as on Panoramio I have met some very nice people and some excellent photographers here, which I would miss badly if Ipernity goes offline. And some of those have become personal friends over the years. If I have to start over again, whereever that might be, I will have a very close look at groups and invitations.
7 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to LutzP:

And here's one more good reason to limit the number of group memberships. It is just way easier to navigate through group views when there are less groups on menus! =)
7 years ago

Clickity Click said:

Sami, I think a lot of folks feel the same as you do ... too many groups, too many contacts ... one really can't keep up with it all especially if you want to have meaningful interaction within the groups. This is why I have limited my membership in groups and kept my contact list short.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts ... :) Happy New Year Sami
7 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Clickity Click:

Indeed! It is of course nice to friends and contacts, but on the other hand I think we all need to accept there is only limited amount of time we can share with each other. And also our "off-line contacts" need attention ;-)
7 years ago

Clickity Click said:

I agree with you wholeheartedly ... not only do we need time for our "off-line" contacts but also for ourselves! We often neglect our own quiet/personal time! :)
7 years ago

Bergfex said:

Whereto it leads is to be seen at Flickr. Groups with Thousand postings per day are as useless as groups about very specialised topis, in which nobody is interested in.
Fotocommunity once had a good group system, but abandonned it with the last relaunch.
If Ipernity survives it might be an idea to discuss the structured former FOTOCOMMUNITY system, if it would be suitable for Ipernity . . .
7 years ago

Sami Serola (inactiv… replied to Bergfex:

I truly believe a good thriving group needs motivation and care. Challenge groups are one "genre" that seems to work. Another one are "game groups" where people can participate in a playful way. The absolutely best group I have seen so far is 'Bilderdomino' group. There's a group where a simpe idea motivates people to see what others have posted, and makes it possible to "reuse" also older pictures.
7 years ago